If at first you don't secede, try try again.

There should be a history section on this board. History is more interesting to me than philosophy.

Northern California and the West Coast in general has historical examples of secession movements.

When Thomas Jefferson commissioned the Lewis and Clark expedition, he "envisioned the establishment of an independent nation in the western portion of North America which he dubbed the "Republic of the Pacific"." (wiki)

During the 20th century, there was a strong movement for a 51st state, to be named the State of Jefferson. This would have been comprised of counties in Southern Oregon and Northern California. The movement started out as a publicity stunt to draw the attention to a lack of representation in the state capitols. But, people really began to get serious about actual secession. Then, with the advent of WWII, people's national pride got stoked up and the impetus for the State of Jefferson fizzled out.

There has also been at various times an actual independence movement for a nation of 'Cascadia'.

The dream is still alive in the communities of Northern Calfornia and Southern Oregon. Both areas are sparsely populated. When it comes to water rights and everything else, there is no way for us to compete with the 7.5 million potential votes in the SF Bay Area and even more votes in Southern California. For the residents of Southern Oregon, they get out-voted by Portland on every issue.

There was also a fictional book called Ecotopia where revolutionaries in Northern California planted a secret nuclear bomb under one of the big cities back east. Northern California seceded from the US and they held that threat of detonating the bomb as a way of protection from federal invasion.

Secession is part of the local mythology around here. Other parts of the union have similar spirits, like in Texas and all throughout the South.

Yesterday and today, suddenly several of my YouTube channels started popping up with videos about secession in my subscriptions list. It seems no coincidence after this last election and people getting more Fed-up.

Personally, I'm not sure what I think about it. I don't see it as a bad idea but am not sure of what it would amount to given that the state governments aren't exactly any better than the federal government.

What happens if my state secedes but doesn't get to keep any nuclear warheads or gets targeted by the US for trying to develop its own national defense? I'd want to be sure my state has powerful allies first, like Russia and China.

Part of my concern has to do with what I'd personally want to see happen, such as going off of the dollar, which is a very dangerous thing to try without superpower.

I would take this statement even further and say it's apart of the national mythology as the American revolution is technically a secession. The concept is just more embraced on parts of the plantation, likely due to the levels of propaganda, or lack of.

Now, I was studying Abraham Lincoln, the civil war, and American slavery about 3 months ago (Apart of my self re-education program) and something I did that was insightful, was to read the declarations of secession. After reading them, I gained a much more solid understanding of what the secession is all about. Equally as interesting, when I asked some of my peers who consider them selves educated, if they had every taken the time to read them. No one had. I was quite amused finding that my peers operated off much knowledge based in the presumptions of others, as opposed to doing some actual independent study.

So my questions for you guys, Have you read the Declarations of Secession from the Confederate States?
If not, I encourage you to do so. South Carolina has an especially detailed and informational declaration.

Tom Woods on this topic:




Again, repeating myself, one of my big worries though is that the federal president will pull a Lincoln and just start killing everyone in the seceding states, using his high tech weaponry that the states don't have. I kind of see the new Lincoln movie as a warning to us. Thus, I'd prefer a coup and/or focus on getting all states on the same page. Or, a state should only secede after forming an alliance with Russia and/or China! Oh, hell. That would probably mean war, too. NM. I just so hope we can bring down the federal empire from within.

Yea for Tom Woods! DanielHall4Freedom for LibertyClassroom.

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