Based on the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus "Master of Masters"
I link this book, to help you better understand my point of view. As I recognize that my previous posts express Ideals that may seem alien to those still in the governMENTAL state of mind.
“The half-wise, recognizing the comparative unreality of the Universe, imagine that they may defy its Laws– such are vain and presumptuous fools, and they are broken against the rocks and torn asunder by the elements by reason of their folly. The truly wise, knowing the nature of the Universe, use Law against laws; the higher against the lower; and by the Art of Alchemy transmute that which is undesirable into that which is worthy, and thus triumph. Mastery consists not in abnormal dreams, visions and fantastic imaginings or living, but in using the higher forces against the lower–escaping the pains of the lower planes by vibrating on the higher. Transmutation, not presumptuous denial, is the weapon of the Master.”–The Kybalion.
“While All is in THE ALL, it is equally true that THE ALL is in All. To him who truly understands this truth hath come great knowledge.”–The Kybalion.
“The lips of wisdom are closed, except to the ears of Understanding.”–The Kybalion.
“THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental.”–The Kybalion.
“Mind may be transmuted, from state to state; degree to degree; condition to condition; pole to pole; vibration to vibration. True Hermetic Transmutation is a Mental Art.”–The Kybalion.
I'm excited to get to reply to this. Im curious how many people have brought this up on this forum before this thread. Nonetheless its definitely something everyone should give their attention to, if only a small read.
Hermes Trismegistus has gone by many names. Trismegistus means Thrice-born, as he was the third incarnation of Quetzalcoatl and Thoth before that.
The Emerald Tablets of Thoth are a similar blueprint for the universe as the Kybalion, although its language is much more archaic. Here is an excerpt for anyone who hasnt read the Tablets, this is from the Tablet named 'The Halls of Amenti''
" And upon the land where ye dwell now, barbarians shall dwell and in turn rise to Light. Forgotten shall be the ancient-wisdom, yet ever shall live though hidden from men.
Aye, in the land thou callest Khem (Egypt), races shall rise and races shall fall. Forgotten shalt thou be of the children of men. Yet thou shalt have moved to a star-space beyond this leaving behind this place where thou has dwelt. "
I believe the Hermetic knowledge is the key to advancing humanity to freedom, see for yourself.. Definitely check this out.
I've never heard the term 'Kybalion' before. I'll have to check that out.
I've been reading about Pythagoras recently. Dude was the son of a gem-cutter, born on the island of Samos. He lived there at a time when trade to the Black Sea had been opened up and all that Shamanism was flowing down to the Greek world via the Dneiper, Dneister, Don and Danube.
He hitched a ride to Egypt where he discovered the sacred geometry of the pyramids (and was inspired by Egyptian beer!). The pyramid is the most basic 3-D object with 4 points. Future pythagoreans would revere the number 4, or the sacred 'tetractys' (4 seasons, 4 directions, 4 winds, the 4 Hebrew letters which make up the unspeakable name of God, The Cross, 4 stages of man- infant, child, adult, old fart, 4 quarters in football, etc..).
Pythagoras then hitches a ride to Babylon where he learns about magic and astronomy. He learns about the music of the spheres, the vibrational signatures of atoms, etc.. Along the way to Babylon he passes through Israel (about the time of Isaiah?).
He comes back to Syria and catches a ride back home on a Phoenicean ship. The Phoeniceans teach him about the Global Oneness mysteries of the ancient Minoans.
Pythagoras sets up his school in Croton (Italy) and starts to influence local politics so the locals burn them out and hunt them down but the wisdom that survives emerges in the Druidic teachings of Britannia. Some of this Druidic tradition survives embedded in Catholicism and eventually reaches the New World where it is once again re-invigorated with Shamanism (the influence of the Native Americans).
I don't know if neo-Pythagoreanism has anything to do with what you're talking about but I'll try to check out this thing you call the Kybalion.
What a pleasant surprise to see the content you have added to the post. I have viewed some of the research about sacred geometry, while I do not have a complete understanding of the individual characteristics of the shapes, I do fully realize that not only do these patterns exist individually, but as well as simultaneously as parts of a whole. Another concept I have a good grasp of, is the Infinity (The ALL), which is infinitely expansive and recessive simultaneously.
When Charles mentions how the Icosahedron and Dodecahedron are revealed in the recession aspect, it made compete sense to me.
A related topic I would to bring to the conversation is the study of Vortex Mathematics. In my opinion, these are the same concepts in a different layout/ format.
TreeShepherd, Indeed Pythagoras is involved in this.
Manly P. Hall wrote the book ""Secret Teachings of All the Ages"-URL which actually touches on both Thoth Hermes Trismesgistus and Pythagoras. Also, the site in which the book is linked, is a library of text on these matters.
And now, that you both have reminded me of this book, I am obligated to read it again, as it will have deeper meaning with my new understandings I have come to since my first time reading it. This is actually what prompted this post on the Kybalion. After writing my tax post, I came across some of the Kybalion quotes, and observed they had a deeper meaning to me than they had before. The concept of Mental Transmutation really took hold in my thoughts as I realized I was becoming a non-believer in government via my own reasoning, logic and understandings.
I am familiar with the Kybalion and of the Hermetic Philosophy. I am delighted to see it mentioned. My studies of the hermetic Philosophy started with a random book I picked up at the library. (Nothing is random, Everything happens as it should.) The book I choose was called The Seekers. A Bounty Hunters Story. by Joshua Armstrong. It is the true story of a mans journey in discovering the Hermetic Philosophy. The author starts a team of bounty hunters that is like no other. He learns to treat all people with dignity, including the skips he is tasked with locating and placing back into custody.
From that book, I was introduced to a series of books by John Baines. Hypsoconsiousness, Morals for the Twentyfirst Century are two of the series. If you want a guide to life.... read any of the books mentioned.
I am looking for feedback. I would like to discuss the ideas in these books.
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Mysticism tends to put me off, but recently I've been delving more into areas of knowledge which I have previously dismissed as "cooky" or "gibberish". Has anyone here read any Hakim Bey? I first read him around the time I became acquainted with Max Stirner, when I was 17 or so. You can easily find and download his Temporary Autonomous Zones or any other books and articles. His message is a combination of a sort of nihilist/hedonist individualism with elements of mysticism. I found his interpretation of philosophers who also influenced me (particularly Stirner and Nietzsche) to be very interesting. He took their work and fused it into a sort of message of harmonious being. It's almost like Renzo Novatore without the violence (although without completely excluding violence).
I'd be interested in discussing some of his ideas. Here is a sample from T.A.Z.:
Many believe that mysticism “dissolves the ego.” Rubbish. Only death does that (or such at least is our Sadducean assumption). Nor does mysticism destroy the “carnal” or “animal” self — which would also amount to suicide. What mysticism really tries to surmount is false consciousness, illusion, Consensus Reality, & all the failures of self that accompany these ills. True mysticism creates a “self at peace,” a self with power. The highest task of metaphysics (accomplished for example by Ibn Arabi, Boehme, Ramana Maharshi) is in a sense to self-destruct, to identify metaphysical & physical, transcendent & immanent, as ONE. Certain radical monists have pushed this doctrine far beyond mere pantheism or religious mysticism. An apprehension of the immanent oneness of being inspires certain antinomian heresies (the Ranters, the Assassins) whom we consider our ancestors.
Bey continues to develop this as a theme of "nonordinary consciousness". I've always dismissed much of his writing as a bit too dysfunctional, too "new age". But in terms of introspection and development of self (not in the material sense) there might be something to this stuff. I remain sceptical, but open to discussion.
_________________ "Here, every citizen is king; for he has plenitude of power, he reigns and governs." - P.J. Proudhon
From my perspective, it aligns the ego with the spiritual Will. This could be interpreted as dissolution or elimination as there is a polar transmutation. For a visualization think of two people standing each, on an opposing side of a tennis court. Then one person moves and joins the other on their side. The now unoccupied side of the court could be interpreted as empty or what once was there has been eliminated.
"Mysticism" to me is really an attempt to interpret and explain the paradox. Its the other side of the coin to material science, so to speak. Mystics are much less concerned with physical factoids, and more concerned with Greater Ideals, Emotions, and "Coincidences". They too have beliefs in fundamental "truths", like science, with scientific laws. To me, Philosophy is the combination of the two.
True mysticism creates a “self at peace,” a self with power.
This is derived, from a mystics understanding that physical science and spirituality are two sides of the same coin. This allows them a deeper interpretation of the experience of life. They have "truly open minds", can "flow like water", are "always in the right place at the right time". As well, I think they tend to view dreams, emotions, psychedelic experiences, visions, as intuitive tools instead of primal desires and illusions. These things are used as tools to navigate the constant flow of experience, usually to avoid the negative and attract the positive. Alternatively physical science is used to navigate the physical realm, usually used as tool for efficiency and avoidance of physical danger. This what gives the self power, peace and happiness. Happiness is not an emotional response to a physical scenario, its a way of living (aka, belief system).
Also, mysticism is written in a manner to be interpreted through different lenses to have different meanings. Science has tunnel vision kind of way of look at things so that hinders someone of the that mind set from correctly interpreting the ideals conveyed in mysticism (like focusing on the visible only to humans part of the light spectrum). Mysticism and spirituality are things that grow with you, not something you can read some words and presume to understand immediately and on just a singular level.
In this little work we have endeavored to give you an idea of the fundamental teachings of The Kybalion, striving to give you the working Principles, leaving you to apply them yourselves, rather than attempting to work out the teaching in detail. If you are a true student, you will be able to work out and apply these Principals-if not then you must develop yourself into one, for otherwise the Hermetic Teachings will be as "words,words,words" to you.
This read makes we want to focus more on Magic. Not the modern view of magic as tricks and show, but more like Art/Science/Mysticism brought back together, as I imagine they were in some ancient times.
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