So let me tell you what's coming. Since I think it's painfully obvious that Israel is just dying to get into a war with Iran, I FEEL like, all this "Anti-Islamic" stuff that's been going on full force in the US lately is setting the stage for a false flag "Islamic" terror attack, using the anti-Islamic advertisements as it's "justification". But of course, it won't be Islam behind it at all. More like, the Mossad, in my opinion. I mean, how could anyone else be so completely fucking stupid as to continuously rabble rouse Islam and smack the hornets nest with a baseball bat under the guise of freedom of speech? I agree with some others who say, the people behind these anti-Islamic advertisements ARE a fucking hate-group and should be treated and disrespected as being such. To me it's like, if someones mother was raped and killed, and her son assassinated the person, I know that across America and perhaps even the world, people would say one of two things, "I can understand the persons anger and can empathize", or, "I would have done the same thing".

To me, attacking Islam and/or the Prophet (SAW) is the same degree of emotional disruption whether it is to YOU or not. I used raping of the mother as the analogy because that is a transcending emotional disruption for most (there may be 2% of people out there who wouldn't care), and the same it true with the Anti-Islamic ads, there may be some Muslims who don't care, but most of them WILL be offended and deeply emotionally distraught over it. So my question is, why do that? Why "rape somebody's mother" and then cry foul when they blow your ass up? (Even though I genuinely think that most Muslims know what's going on here, just like Iran knows what's going on and still hasn't struck any US Carriers outside of their country. The stage is being set though.) It can ONLY be a group (again, most likely Mossad) of complete fuckin dumbasses trying to create the illusion of a genuine terrorist attack to rally the people behind a war with Iran. Just like they used 9/11 to get people behind Iraq. Is it any coincidence that this group is fighting for these ads to be displayed in "subways"? I personally don't think so. What better spot for a "terrorist attack"? They damn sure aren't gonna fight for those advertisements to be displayed in airports...

So anyways, my suggestion is, don't use the subway once these ads go up and send the message back to these fuckin dumbasses that we don't support Israel, and we don't really care if Iran bombs the piss out of them either, (well, I don't personally give a shit anyways but) you what I mean. Fuck Israel, fuck Zionism, and fuck their gay ass tired ass agenda. I wish they'd just fly to fuckin Mars and go hang out with the rover already...

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82803454/

Or better yet, print out some stickers that are big enough to cover the bottom part of the advertisment that read "Support Islam, Defeat Zionism" and run through and cover them all up. Man, that would make me shit my pants laughing. Talk about a backfire.

No doubt. When shit started to go down two weeks ago I saw it as a perfect setup for a false flag.



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Again innocent people will die and all we can do is watch. We are all pawns after all... Luckily here in England pretty much 90% of the public (except for the political elites) is against war and against US-armed Israel being the bully of the Middle-East, so I do not have to deal with many Zionists in this country.

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My prediction:

The US will get into a war with China. The US has been building up its Asian presence over the last 1 1/2 to 2 years if you believe what's reported by the Australian, Japanese, Philippine and Chinese news agencies: deployment of US Marines and establishment of bases to Australia and to the Philippines, increased troops in South Korea and Japan, etc.

The "official" reason will be China's East and South China Seas expansionism (ie: the island ownership squabbles it is currently having with US allies, Japan and Philippines), to punish China for the Anti-Japanese protests currently taking place in various Chinese cities (this isn't reported in Western media!), and to secure Taiwanese "democracy" and "independence" (The US has a standing order that any Mainland Chinese "expansionism" into Taiwan will be considered an "act of war" Even though the Taiwanese democratically re-elected a pro-Mainland president, that over 50% of all Taiwanese are pro-Mainland and want to join the Mainland .).

And the American public will be sold the idea that this war with China will be "fast" because America is still a military power. In spite of the fact that China has a submarine fleet, aircraft carriers, long-short range missile defense system (some of them nuclear), drones, etc.

The real reason is that the US will go to war in order to avoid paying back the money it borrowed from China.

Well you know, the unfortunate thing here is, this may be a sort of Sampson option (mutual annihilation) seeing as how, the Zionists have blurred the line so much between reality and the false, that, when an attack actually does happen, the majority of people won't know who to point the finger at with certainty, Islam, or the Zionists? To me, the Zionists are going to be responsible for their own demise BECAUSE of that. And not only that, but they won't succeed in annihilating Islam anyways. I don't know if they know this or not, but, there are BILLIONS......BILLIONS, of Muslims across the planet. There are.............NOT BILLIONS of Zionists. I'd be surprised to learn that there were even a singular billion Zionists. So, to me, the Zionists are the chihuahua barking at the lion and calling themselves a force to be reckoned with....but it's just not reality.

And again, I want to make this clear because I know I've caused some confusion for some people before. I don't hate Jews, and I honestly mean that. Not for your sake, but because I just honestly don't wrecklessly hate groups of people. For that matter, I don't love everyone who calls themselves a Muslim, etc. I'm sure you get the picture. I base my judgments about people on a person to person basis and let their actions dictate how I personally feel about them, across the board. But this terrorism shit is oldddddddd man, and very very tired. I'm sick of it. I'm over it. Israel needs to stop slaughtering their neighbors, stop putting them in concentration camps and crying foul when the Palestinians "aren't thrilled about it" (go figure), and stop trying to start a god damn war with Iran! They'd whip your ass anyways! Shit, Hezbollah whipped your asses back in 2006 and they aren't even the god damn Lebanese military, they're just a bunch of pissed off freedom fighters who are sick of your bull shit just like everybody else is! I'm serious man, this shit is stupid! And I'm DEFINITELY tired of seeing AMERICANS die for the Israeli agenda. Dude.........I couldn't give less of a fuck about the Israeli agenda if my sole purpose in life was that I was born to NOT give a fuck about it. And even then, I would study how to still care less. Leave people alone, don't put them in concentration camps, stop trying to psychologically imprison people, make some friends, and life just kinda works itself out. Who woulda thought..... unbelievable these fuckin tards.

I don't know if you guys are as much of a geek as I've been over the years, but with all these new CGI videos coming out where even videos that seem to have no real substance to them on a political level, are so convincingly real, that I also have a feeling that CGI video manipulation in politics is coming, or will increase, to make us believe events have taken place that never actually took place anyways. It's too easy of a method to exploit people with. Alot of people anyways. They see something and if it looks real, they register it as being real. So, I dunno. I just go to work, pay my taxes, and at this point I'm applying the old school logic that if you give someone enough rope, they'll hang themselves. I'm gonna let them corner themselves from now on. Maybe it will get this shit over and done with faster. But one thing is for certain, I do NOT support Israel or the Zionist agenda. I support the Israelis that ALSO don't support the Israeli governments agenda and wish them the best and the safest dismantlement of their government as possible.

Yeah, a war with China is an excellent idea! There's really only a few Chinese people. Should be a cake-walk.... on that topic, could someone please hand me that wooden dildo over there!?! I'd like some splinters in my asshole to go along with that ass-whipping!

The Jews have as much of a right to be there in the Levant as anyone, and they have a right to defend themselves. Since Jewish repatriation, they've developed a high-tech industry, medical inventions, modern hospitals, modern agriculture, modern education (all the things that the Arabs never bothered to develop). It's no wonder that Egyptian and Syrian and Jordanian and Iraqi Arabs and Persians want to declare "Palestine" as their homeland now that it is thriving. What is more, the Jews haven't even rebuilt the Temple in Jerusalem, and the've always allowed the mosques and Christian churches to remain open and operational. If the so-called Palestinians ever gained control of the Levant, the Christian churches would be converted into mosques, and all the modernist developments would crumble.

Islam sucks anus, and furthermore, Muslims need to grow a sense of humor.

What's going to happen? It's already happened. We've already destabilized the Middle East. War and drought are the underlying causes of all the turmoil over there. Turkey has built dams on the Euphrates and they're building more on the Tigris, cutting off water from Syria and Iraq. The aquifers are drying up, including the coastal aquifer that feeds most of Israeli's demand. Iran is overpopulated and suffering from drought. There is a horrible drought in eastern Europe, home to many Muslims. There is also a drought in China, and in Africa and of course, the plains of America are returning to dustbowl conditions. War, drought... now all we need is some more pestilence.

Is America going to get into another war? I doubt it. We'll just have our drones and our proxy soldiers do all the dirty work for us. We didn't officially go to war against Kaddafy and Mubarek and Assad. We sent in NGO's under Bush and stoked up revolution and then we finished them off with proxy fighters (Assad still a work in progress). Now all we need to do is get them all on Facebook and get them all microchipped and drinking from U.S. owned flouridated desalination plants.

Same goes for China. Get them all watching Dancing with the Stars and keep them fighting over the iPhone 5 and watch the Great Wall of China crumble.

Europe is experiencing a reverse Crusades with Muslims flowing in through Greece. Every major city in Western Europe has a muslim population explosion, relative to the white christian or agnostic birth rate.

I'm glad we don't have a lot of that Muslim shit here in America. It's still a very small minority. I've studied all the religions of the world. Islam is the lamest, most 2-dimensional, and least conducive to freedom and liberty.

Well, I definitely do not agree , but, to each his own. I do find it mildly ironic that, that would be your position though treeshepherd seeing as how your avatar is a character from Pre-Islamic lore known as Al-Khidr, (Kidder), the Green One, who is jealous of God's power. Maybe you did that intentionally I don't know. But what I DO know is, Britain entered Palestine, conquered land that belonged to the Palestinians, and gave it to some Jewish people who not only turned Palestine into a concentration camp, but ignore every UN Resolution placed against them, have committed more war crimes than any other nation on the planet in their short existence, continually expand Israel by killing Palestinians, forcing them out of their homes, bulldozing down their homes, and setting up Jewish Only settlements. Defend em' if you want to brother, I won't take that from you, but I'm damn sure on the 'other team' on this one. And I mean that in the loosest sense. I'm not taking up arms or supplying people with this or that. But when it comes to who I support, usually under my breath (not because I'm a coward, because I'm not, but because I'm a little less confrontational these days than I used to be and don't feel the need to be anymore), I support the Muslims. When I hear about an attack in Israel, I'm not even moved by it. One, because it probably never happened anyways, and two, even if it did, they would deserve it, in my mind, so long as the attack was against political figures and not just ordinary citizens who hate their political state as well and get written off as being "self-hating Jews". The propaganda is just too laughable. No interest in it whatsoever.

Are there fundies in Islam? Yep. Do I support them? Nope. Or any fundies for that matter because, I believe, there is no God but God, and, to me, a fundie, of any sort, is merely playing God, like a kid on a short bus with a plastic steering wheel thinking he's driving the bus... thank GOD he isn't.

Dear treeshepherd,

I am really surprised by your post above. I am an admirer of your frivolous attitude and playful demeanour in other threads, but here you come out as a CRUSADER - woe to the Muslim who hears you approach!

I agree with you that Islam is a bunch on nonsense. Very dangerous nonsense. Even worse nonsense than Christianity and Judaism. But for a while I saw in you a common soul, a person above such petty religious and territorial disputes, a lion among lambs! And here I see you spewing venom like any other snake...

I prefer the old treeshepherd, the one who seems less caught up in the world and more weary of it, like old Zarathustra!

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I like Treeshepherd's usual demeanor, but it's kind of nice to hear him vent, especially if the target is any type of religious group.

Well, if the "target" is "anyone who perceives reality different from you", I don't know why you would be such an adamant member of a Libertarian forum? And I say that because, "religious" to me, means, "Body of Thought", so, Libertarians could be, by my terminology, a religious group, just, with a very dynamic and unstable grounding in reality. (By itself that is). I'm hardly offended, personally, though, because I've come to accept something... people are going to believe wild and crazy things that are against my own personal beliefs for the rest of my time here, and they are going to believe those wild and crazy things with unshakable conviction. But for the same reason one shouldn't ask central bankers for ethical advice, one shouldn't ask psychopaths for spiritual advice. This bitch (Earth) doesn't spin everyday because I tell it to, nor would it stop if I told it to. That's humility that I can live with.

By the way, I don't like my avatar. I didn't spend any time thinking about it. It looks a little bit fruity, but it fit the specs.

I'm not going to pretend that the State of Israel is some kind of knight in shining armor, but if I have to choose between Israel and the Mullah-tocracies, put me squarely in the Zionist camp (i mean that, all kidding aside).

You wanna know what's going to happen? You really wanna know? You can't handle the truth, but I'll tell you anyway;

Obama gets re-elected. As per usual, the MSM begins to tear down the man they built up during his first term. Obama get impeached on a cover-up scandal involving his support of the terrorist underground militias he supported in their ouster of Mubarek, Kaddafy and Assad. Biden and Pelosi die from tainted Botox poisoning, and John Boehner becomes president. The stress of the job drives Boehner to drinking a 5th of bourbon every morning, noon and evening, and he eventually says, "Fuck it, man" and institutes the gold standard. With no more fiat money to bail out State governments, all the cops and teachers walk off the job for lack of payment. The kids roam the streets and criminals run rampant and the country is thrust into a Thunderdome of Darwinian conflict.

A hurricane decapitates hundreds of deep sea oil rigs in the Gulf. Boehner and the new Republican majority decide to send down submarines to nuke the wells. The effort fails to seal the wells. Instead, the tectonic plates at the sea floor are weakened and a 10 point earthquake and ensuing tidal wave push radioactive oil all the way up the Mississippi, Missouri and Ohio Rivers. Millions of Midwestern hicks flee to the Rocky Mountains where they perish for lack of Cheez-Wizz, chicken nuggets and Wonder Bread. A plague is born from their rotting bodies, which is carried all the way down the Colorado to the West Coast where it infects California, Oregon and Washington State.
Meanwhile, New Iran (formerly the UK), New Iraq (formerly France) and New Egypt (formerly the Federal Republic of Germany) attack the East Coast of the USA, aided by the frenzied warriors of the nation of Dirkadirkadirkistan.
The collapsing power grid creates a massive power surge which is funneled toward the Haldron Collider, which unfortunately is outfitted with a Haliburton surge protector, and a terawatt of energy lights up the Haldron Collider, creating a black hole. The earth, sun, moon, galaxy and all parallel galaxies are sucked into this massive black hole. Instantly, space and time cease to exist, and therefore, you and I and nothing else ever really existed. But, since in that instant, time itself was stopped, we all suffer an eternal torture of burning oil and crushing gravity as our faces are slowly smothered into the armpits of our neighbors.

Many of you will say that my theory is off-base, but you lack the spiritual ears to hear my awesome prophecy.

Like I said, each to his own. And I feel like, if we REALLY truly lived life in an "each to his own" kinda way, we'd be alot happier as a species. That's what I gather from Libertarianism, that's what I gather from Islam with it being a tradition of the Prophet to have said, "You be to yours, and me be to mine", not, "you be to mine or I'll cut your head off"... however, the Zionists don't subscribe to the idea of "us" being to "ours", so, I don't support their cause just because it hurts their feelings when I don't. *shrug* Fuck 'em.

Although, I'm hardly an anarchist. I do feel there should be some sort of state and/or governance, with a very, very limited Federal government. But, I've long since stopped daydreaming about the "day that I control the world". It ain't gonna happen for me or you, or that dude over there in the corner, unfortunately.

A state? You condone the state? You feel there should be a state?

Damn that's disgusting.

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Yes, I do.

Albeit I think it should be much different than it is at the present, but, at this point, I'm not really convinced any of our opinions matter that much any more. In my own personal opinion, it's too far out of our control to make a bit of genuine change. I look at politics and voting as being more like taking a poll, with no real outcome other than to count some opinions, maybe, and then do whatever they want anyways. *shrug*

And for the record, I don;t believe the need for a state will ALWAYS exist, but I think there's a right time for everything. Kinda like, stepping out of a car going 80 mile per hour is "bad timing". It'd probably be a better idea to wait until it stopped. Comparison being, until the actual criminals here are brought to justice, declaring anarchy, in my opinion, is like telling them, "So, we've decided not to hold you accountable for anything, you're free to go". I have just a sliver of faith left in the state that, some one, some where, is working to do the right thing, with the right information. *shrug* Maybe that's naive of me but, I know who ISN'T going to do shit, and that's a bunch of peeps sitting around getting shitfaced and/or smoking weed and giving the finger to the federal reserve. It makes for good youtube entertainment, but that's about it.

I admit you are correct, but why the cavalier attitude? The state is a criminal gang and just because you feel powerless against it, you shouldn't be saying it is necessary to have it.
Having said that, the hermit life, especially radical solipsism, is beginning to look incredibly attractive right now. At least I have control over what happens in my mind

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I wish I had a better solution. I really do. *shrug* Like I said, at this point, with the mega-corporations and the MIC totally out of control, and what seems to be like imminent war with Iran due to the Israeli government antagonizing them, I really don't have a good solution. But the unfortunate reality is, I haven't heard a good one yet either. Reverting back to the idea that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, part of that, to me, means, these guys will obtain so much power that they will kill themselves off. Either by drinking/drugging themselves to death, or, they will get to such a point of concentrated power and psychological lunacy that, they will be faced with the problem of infighting for "King of the Hill" just like in the mafia or any other group where there is a concentration of power. So, again, I'm just doing my thing, whatever that may be today, and whatever that may be tomorrow, for my own survival, and to have the best life I can possibly have.

Hm. Weird. This was just posted yesterday. I wonder if there is any correlation between these Anti-Islamic Ads I've mentioned as being the beginning of a false flag terror attack, AND, the Israeli Lobby discussing JUST THAT! Hmmmmm...... *scratching my balls*

Correct me if I'm wrong, but all this is biblical prophecy, no?

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Well....one mans "prophecy" is another mans "playbook".

I think these activities are about as "prophetic" as a bus showing up on time at a bus stop, personally. However, I'm not interested in what is and is not prophetic. In dealing with the real world in real time, I feel, that the Israeli Mossad and/or other cooperative members of our government may be setting the stage for a false flag terrorist attack to blame on the evil no good boogieman Muslims inorder to "get the people behind a war with Iran and bring those naughty towelheads to justice". I still refuse to believe that people are that stupid, but, then again, I DO believe that many people just go with the flow because they have too much to lose. And also why I said, the more people lose, and the less they have to lose, the harder it will get for them (the powers that be) anyways. So it's a pointless cause, but, you can't really reason with psychopaths anymore than you expect the "dog-whisperer" to "talk the hate" out of a Rottweiler that's been subjected to dog fighting for 7 years of it's life...

I also think it's curious that this NY anti-Muslim subway ad campaign occurred immediately after this: http://www.animalnewyork.com/2012/wante ... -the-nypd/

Did ESSAM'S anti-NYPD ads have as much potential to spark a movement as the anti-Muslim ads have sparked controversy? Was it an intentional distraction / co-opt?

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Not that it matters what I think, but I do not support foreign aid to Israel, or anyone else. I think that all libertarians can agree on that point. And I don't think a war against Iran would solve anything.

Did I say that Islam sucks anus? I spoke rashly. I apologize.

I am neither a Jew nor a Christian nor a Hindu nor a Buddhist. I am a dirt-worshipping tree-hugging Druid. I am neither good nor evil. My alignment is true neutral. I seek the balance. Why then should it surprise you that I should not join in on your dog-piling of the Jew?

Many will say that all religions are foolish. To them I would say that all men have a religion, even if it does not involve a deity.

I have a Quran. I have read as much of it as I could tolerate. I could sum up the entire Quran by quoting from the second surah, where it says (paraphrasing);

“If you are in doubt about what we are saying in this holy book, then show us a writing like this one. Show us a book as royally kick-ass as we have presented to you in this Quran. If you cannot, and yet you still will not follow its instruction, then you will burn in a lake of fire with all the other infidels.”

Well, allow me to be a witness. The second surah is not inspiring. It falls flat. It lacks eloquence. It is hard-edged and pedantic. And for 113 more uniformly textured surahs, the Quran never ceases to gloss itself, never ceases to point to itself, to name itself, and never lets up in its impetuousness and juvenile chest thumping. The Quran is the most insecure book that I have ever read. It is as if the Arabs felt left out, not having a holy book to call their own, so instead of building upon Zoroastrianism and the great ancient traditions of the Magi of pre-Islamic Babylon and Persia and the great sun-worshippers and architects of ancient Egypt, they co-opted elements of the Hebrew and Christian Bible stories and re-defined all the characters. They steam ironed out flat the rich enigmatic characters of the Bible and contrived literal black-and-white answers to every esoteric question. They categorize and demystify and obfuscate, right down to detailing description of the checker pattern on the Devil’s boxer shorts (exaggerating slightly). In the mind of a Muslim, he has cleared up all confusion, and he has untangled all of the Judeo-Christian riddles, and Mohammed finished their journey to the top of the mountain and wrote it all down in the Quran.

The Quran never breathes, or it continually hyperventilates. Either description is apt. In a simple phrase, the Quran just tries too damn hard. Try to read it. I challenge you to read it. It's exhausting.

People tell me that the Quran needs to be read in Arabic in order to appreciate it. I don’t doubt this. No other ‘holy’ book loses so much or is rendered more suck-assy in translation. There is a reason why the Bible and the Vedas and the Bhagavad-Gita translate so well into other languages. They are filled with epic portraits. And they allow the reader to fill in some of the blanks, based on his own life experience. In fact, you cannot read the Bible without supplying much of your own mind to it. It doesn’t spell everything out for you. It leaves much to the imagination. It baffles the mind. It is a sort of mirror pond, reflecting back the nature of one’s own personal identity. Christian fundamentalists will differ with what I’m saying, as they take a specific self-serving literal meaning and force it down the throats of their congregations. They commit the same apostasy as that of the Muhammedans.

Islam, as defined in the stark terms of the Quran, is a political-ritualistic-spiritualistic-legalistic system which can be nothing else. Islam appeals to those who want everything spelled out for them, which makes it very popular in this non-mystical assembly language world that exists today. There is no religion which exists today which is more antithetical to creative thinking, liberty and anarchy than that of Islam.

The oldest extant scrap of New Testament codex is a tiny piece of leather with the Latin words ‘Pilate’ and ‘Truth’ (Veritas) still legible upon it. We know then that this comes from the Gospel of John, where Pilate asks Jesus, “What is Truth?”
Jesus stands facing Pilate, blood dripping from every inch of his broken body.................................... and remains silent. Jesus was a fuckin’ anarchist. He leaves it up to you to solve the riddle.

Did I say that Islam sucks anus? I spoke rashly. I apologize. What I meant to say is that Islam sucks taper worm infested hemorrhoidicated raw bloody starfish-maw puss-boiled anus. And Islam will always lack the wherewithal to escape from its own anusphere. That is what I meant to say. I apologize for my previous gaff.

And all of you people who have bleeding hearts for the Palestinians, set aside your conspiracy theories for a moment of time and remember September 11, 2001, when NYC was enshrouded by a cloud of toxic smoke, and men and women were jumping to their deaths, and that NYC Fire Chief came out at the press conference with a look of utter devastation on his face, and he croaked out that every fireman in his company was lost, dead, incinerated, and remember then that it was the Palestinians (who get millions in foreign aid and private charity from the USA) who danced in the streets and burned our flag and celebrated jubilantly at our hour of sorrow. Yes, remember that, and remember that it was Yasser Arafat who turned his back on a square deal, just to keep his liberation movement relevant.

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As the Heath Ledger character said in A Knight's Tale, “I am here to compete.”

Yay, good ol' treeshepherd is back You should write a book of aphorisms and commentaries. I'll gladly buy a copy if you ever do!

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