For those who don't know, May 1st has quite a bit of historical context. Most relevant to modern times, it's the anniversary of the formation of the Illuminati in 1776, and since the late 19th century it has been the date for celebration of "International Workers' Day"--a recognized holiday in many Communist (and even non-Communist) nations around the world, usually with coinciding large scale walk-outs, boycotts, and marches. There's probably little coincidence between the two, and probably even less coincidence in the fact that the Occupy movement is now largely rallying around a nation wide May Day boycott/walkout this Tuesday. If the Occupy movement hadn't identified themselves as a leftist/Marxist movement up until this point, they certainly will have now--at least for those of us awake to the connections. It's a blatant association.

Anyway, I think it's obvious there's a reasonable amount of potential for one or more false flag operations any time between May 1st and the NATO Summit in Chicago on May 20-21. However, more concerning to me is the amping up once again of the Occupy movement and their increasingly polarizing position in our society. I am not and will not ever be anti-Occupy. However, I think it's safe to say that 99% of the "99%" of people that the Occupation movement claims to represent really, at BEST, are ambivalent about the movement, and in large part view it negatively. And likewise, I believe that the longer the Occupy camps remain within their own small circle of "solidarity," the more detached from the rest of the American public they become.

So the question then arises, if groups like Adbusters, MoveOn.org/OccupyWallSt.org, and the Occupy movement can rally enough disillusioned college students, unemployed workers, and left-wing activists to their cause and--at some point--create a significant disruption in the operations of the country, who's going to answer to the "other" 99% who will be sufficiently pissed off at their actions? The "other" 99% aren't going to enjoy their jobs being put at risk, prices on commodities rising unexpectedly, institutions of Martial Law in their neighborhoods or cities, or the imposing ideals of a collectivist minority, and they'll point the finger of blame directly at the Occupy movement if any of these happen.

So in a worst case scenario, do you see any kind of a showdown between the supporters of the Occupy movement and the rest of the unassuming general public at some point? Or something similar to what Adam suggested in his recent "What the hell are we doing?" video, a potential showdown between those who seek a libertarian/non-statist evolution and those who seek a global government/currency formation in the wake of the collapse of the U.S. dollar (which may not be far off itself). How do you guys think this Summer will shape up?

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OK, you "get it."

Read Duncan's Ritual of Freemasonry.

"Are you a Traveling Man?"

"Why yes, I am."

Bang!

I haven't read it. What would it tell us?

I also forgot when posting this thread that Anonymous is (in large part) promoting May Day activities as well. So it appears to me both the Occupy movement and Anonymous have, more or less, successfully been co-opted by collectivist idealism now. I'm less surprised by Occupy succumbing, but more surprised at Anonymous. The significance of this entire May Day thing is striking to me (no pun intended), especially since discovering the IWD connection. And what's even more disappointing is that many involved in both probably don't realize the level of co-opting going on here, and actually think they're still acting in the name of freedom by participating in the May Day activities. Somebody correct me here if I'm wrong, but this isn't looking too good for either movement.

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Thank you, I will look into it.

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I agree with Libertyordeath, that May 1 has a cultural significance that predates the last 250 years. It's origins are much more ancient. May 1 is Beltane, a Celtic sacred day, that's still celebrated by Wiccans and Pagans. May 1 was also considered sacred by the Romans.

But honestly, I don't think there will be a repeat of the activism of last year. I think the novelty has worn off.

I think you might be right. Unless I'm dumber than I thought I was (which is entirely possible AND likely!), I've never heard of this day until I read this thread...

Ever see a 1970s horror movie called "The Wicker Man"? It's the movie industry's interpretation of the Celtic May Day celebration. But the day has a very old tradition and significance.


Anyhow, regarding the Occupy movement etc., I don't think there will be a repeat of it. And if there is, it will be smaller than last year. There's an old saying to "strike while the iron is hot"....well, that iron is now lukewarm. the best chance the Occupy movement had was last year when the iron was very hot. It will take something BIG for that forge to reheat that iron.

Since it's an election year, the disillusioned are getting their usual empty promises from the usual empty-suspects, which gives everyone a warm, fuzzy feeling that things will get better. So the iron will go from lukewarm to cool soon.

some kids in Seattle broke some windows and some kids in Cleveland got caught trying to blow up a bridge. Viva La Revolution!

Ummm...yeah...read this article:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... 5_1Te1-kTs

Note that there is something mentioned about the FBI in every single paragraph.

And then read THIS article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/29/opini ... gewanted=2

I hope not, but I am worried that there is more than meets the eye to what happened in Cleveland.

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its totally possible that the whole thing was encouraged as a reason to crack down on the movement as a whole. But as i see it the momentum has been largely lost anyways, which i suppose was my initial point. The entire event isn't a cataclysm, it's a dud, and the people who might have been been sympathetic to the issues presented by OWS have been effectively distracted by watered down women's rights debates, irrelevant environmental issues, and a bogus argument over socialized medicine and crony capitalism.

I have a similar criticism of the freedom movement as well, where the dialogue has been cut off in such a way that the conversation is almost always between people who already agree talking among themselves instead of branching out through inclusion and areas of agreement among the larger population to find some sort of cohesion with which to use as a source of momentum for change.

If the government was worried about these movements they would easily find comfort in the reality that the movements have isolated themselves away from the population by what seems to be an inept understanding of how to reach out, or reconcile.

Unfortunately, those types of childish antics won't garner any support among people who aren't "kids" or who don't have the mental age of a 2 year old.

When someone blows up a bridge, I don't think "Oh, they blew up the Government's bridge. Cool!" I think "They blew up MY bridge---the bridge MY taxes paid for!"

When someone breaks a store's windows, I don't think "Cool! That'll teach 7-Eleven a lesson!" I think "Oh great! Now the store will jack up their prices OR they'll leave the neighborhood, which means I'll have to travel farther to buy my things!"

The issues facing the world are serious. And we require serious people who behave like they possess functioning brain cells to discuss and problem-solve these issues. People whose ideas of discussion and problem-solving is petty vandalism and property destruction have a very, long way to go in the functioning brain cells category.

As much as I dislike the Occupy movement more and more, I doubt these "kids" were part of it. My guess is they were actually undercover police or CIA "provocateurs." Did you see the pictures?











All black with their faces covered, causing deliberate property destruction. Could've just been a misguided rogue group, but my instincts doubt it.

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I agree. It's so easy to infiltrate any group and smear a reputation, even IF it is a reputable reputation. That's the problem with large movements, you never know if it was just a bunch of dumbasses looking to vent some pent up anger, or if it was an intentional move to ruin credibility. Well, you never know without some investigation anyways which no one probably did investigate it.

thats a black bloc, nothing new, anarchists have been doing this sort of thing for decades.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a government infiltration, but i also wouldn't be surprised if they were kids imitating people who did the same thing 20-30 years ago.

wiki on the subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

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In the Lark Rise Trilogy, Flora Thompson has a detailed description of the May Day celebration in her English village circa the 1880s. No human or animal sacrifices.

but back to the violence and property destruction issue. For me, it's senseless and really serves no purpose other than to make me think "what a bunch of jerks." I have little respect for individuals or groups who use violence/destruction to get their point across whether it's a man slapping his girlfriend because she forgot to pick up his dry cleaning or drunk college students setting fires to celebrate their football team's victory or the Nanking Massacre.

Also, I don't like anyone over the age of 12 to be called a "kid". "Kid" is synonym for "child". Calling a 25 year old a "kid" only perpetuates the idea that he isn't an adult and/or responsible for his actions.

Thank you for this informative post. Guess my presumptions were out of ignorance. The bit about Marxism doesn't surprise me.

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