I can't help but be a bit genuinely nervous as we seem to get closer to a major conflict every day. Some US military units are already preparing, some training, specifically for war with Iran. Iran's military spending is about a 70th of the US's, but they have over 1.2m in their military. (US is about 3m) Have we not yet come to the point in human history where war is simply an embarrassment? There is clearly no ill-will between the peoples of these two nations and yet we are allowing our governments to whip us into enough of a fervor to tolerate military action. So how do we prevent it? Is it time for a major national rally at the White House? A call for a tax revolt? Outreach to military personnel? None of these seems particularly guaranteed to have the desired effect, so I'm feeling a bit helpless, like watching a car wreck in slow motion.
I know exactly what you mean. War has no place in a society that promotes itself as civil. Yet common sense and advocating peace seem to evoke hysterical responses to this contrived threat. The most powerful thing on our side is the truth, though. We need to point out in a clear concise manner that Iran is not a legitimate threat to our national security.
It's starting to feel a lot like Germany circa 1930-1945.
Perhaps we have come to the point in human history when we can rise up globally and demand a universal disarmament. A declaration of peace. A declaration that war has become obsolete. Perhaps a more long-term plan that results in a critical mass of signers to a petition saying that in ten years we will vote out of office anyone who does not fully renounce war between nations and resists any effort to reduce government's agencies of force to just what is needed for counter-terrorism. Fuck, this war thing is stupid. Maybe we should focus on US-Iran for now.
It sounds nice, but people would have to follow through, and there would have to be a lot of convincing. It takes enlightenment to wake up to the fact we've been played for fools and the wars being waged in our name are completely political in nature. A President Paul would be a great start.
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Sigh. I check the news headlines on an hourly basis because of this. Yes, hourly.
When I think about all of the innocent people who might suffer as a result of war with Iran, and the fact that there are people like this---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83LDtji3iEY <---perpetuating the stereotypes and fear on mainline networks, it really makes my heart heavy. A thick, black veil has overtaken our country. It has masked reality nationwide, so I would venture to say that a large part of our battle is for sight. Part of our efforts must include waking people up to what is going on.
On an individual level we can write to our representatives and support people like Ron Paul. In fact, just talking about Ron Paul is a great way to open up discussion. I personally try to make really good use of Facebook. I must admit, sometimes I feel like my efforts are puny and futile (I have even been unfriended, and, more recently, the motives behind my posts have been questioned. Now THAT creeped me out, especially with the whole See Something, Say Something campaign), but I know for a fact that I've woken a few people up, so I keep pressing on.
Adam, you mentioned a national rally. Perhaps we are long overdue for another Woodstock.
_________________ “They see only their own shadows or the shadows of one another, which the fire throws on the opposite wall of the Cave.” ~Plato, The Republic
I just wish that we as citizens of our respective countries, would realize that we outnumber our "elected" Masters by like 100,000's to 1.
I can honestly say, that an Iranian citizen has never one a single bad thing to me. As a matter of fact, one of my very good friends from Elementary and Middle school is Iranian, and his family are the nicest people in the world. His father actually owned a chocolate shop in the local mall.
I find it sickening to think that if they lived in Iran still, a bomb from a drone could murder them all, and not a single person in power would care, and we would never hear about it in the news.
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Adam, to your most recent post: As Jefferson said, "Every generation needs a new revolution." I've sort of always felt like I'd be on this earth when something big happened. I'm wondering if it's coming up.
As to your first post, the people finally uniting and standing up to their governments is such an awesome picture. I hope we get there peacefully. I'm not sure we will, which is why I'm finally taking a serious look at all those suggestions I've heard so often. Arm your household. Buy silver (and gold, if you can afford it). Buy a little extra food and put it away, just in case.
Because if much more war is ahead, then an economic collapse could be not far behind.
But, like AtheistLibertarian, I was also given hope recently. I drove with my brothers to march behind the veterans in D.C. It was an 8-hour round trip fron NJ, but we didn't want to miss the chance to show our support in that historic event. It was the most liberating day I've had in a while.
And it reminded me that we're not just some presidential candidate's supporters. We are a community, a family. And we are growing. Change will happen.
Hi everyone. I just wanted to point out that Wikileaks is currently releasing over 5 million emails leaked from Stratfor which is a global intelligence agency here in Texas. Anonymous just formally declared war on the American Government. My focus has been on Syria lately because I assumed that was the path to Iran. What does everyone think will trigger an attack on Iran? I never watch television so I don't know what case the mainstream media is producing. Is the death trap in the Strait too obvious? I am not nor have ever been affiliated with government or military so forgive my naivete.
Hi everyone. I just wanted to point out that Wikileaks is currently releasing over 5 million emails leaked from Stratfor which is a global intelligence agency here in Texas. Anonymous just formally declared war on the American Government. My focus has been on Syria lately because I assumed that was the path to Iran. What does everyone think will trigger an attack on Iran? I never watch television so I don't know what case the mainstream media is producing. Is the death trap in the Strait too obvious? I am not nor have ever been affiliated with government or military so forgive my naivete.
Well they have started saying Syria has WMD's, so that ball is already rolling.
On Iran, I feel a false flag is inevitable at this point. We have done EVERYTHING to provoke Iran to attack us, and they won't. We have murdered their scientists, caused civil unrest, we have been flying drones over their country, we have surrounded them with 40+ bases, and we are now parading our ships along their coasts.
If they haven't attacked us by now, they won't.
So the US government will now stage an attack on Israel, or on one of our battleships.
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^
Wow.
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Adam Kokesh wrote:
Perhaps we have come to the point in human history when we can rise up globally and demand a universal disarmament. A declaration of peace. A declaration that war has become obsolete. Perhaps a more long-term plan that results in a critical mass of signers to a petition saying that in ten years we will vote out of office anyone who does not fully renounce war between nations and resists any effort to reduce government's agencies of force to just what is needed for counter-terrorism. Fuck, this war thing is stupid. Maybe we should focus on US-Iran for now.
Yes Adam this really is the only way I can see any change coming about. Long-term plan on a global scale.
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There is nothing we can do to stop it. I wish Russia would just station a few nukes in Iran to be used in response to aggression. That would make some of the idiots clamoring for war rethink their position.
I think the neocons want a war with the entire Middle East so they can have a pretext to exterminate enough of the State of Israel's neighbors and demand enough land to provide a buffer zone to make sure the "crazy Muslims" can't terrorize them again (that is the propaganda they are selling). The motive is to alter the projections of demographics that are unfavorable and to alter access to the supply of water in the region. The Sea of Galilee is a major source of fresh water and it is already heavily stressed (if the fresh water level drops too low there won't be enough pressure to suppress the salt water sources beneath it, causing the entire source to become salinized and unusable for drinking water).
Gerald Celente came up with a great solution to the "OMG Iran has Uranium" problem; Thorium. We need to lobby someone in D.C. politics to draft a treaty with Iran that says that they will start researching Thorium and will surrender all their uranium. In return, the U.S. would stop all sanctions and will bar Israel from bombing Iran.
Because Uranium was so much easier to enrich to weapons-grade back in the day, Thorium was taken out of the nuclear program, so the technology needed to start using Thorium isn't fully done just yet, but it will be in a few years. Thorium isn't viable for weapons, and it is 10X more viable as an energy source because it lasts longer and uses more of the material to produce energy. There is also more of it in the world, so it would be cheaper to use. Just to put it in perspective: Some say there is enough Thorium in the U.S. to power the entire country for ONE THOUSAND years.
So, if we can get the governments of the world to sign a disarmament treaty and to start using more Thorium based reactors, we can end this thing before it goes any further. I think this is the generation to do it- we've already seen the protests in other countries, they don't want these wars and economic woes either. Thorium might not fix all of the problems, but it's a giant step in the right direction.
I'm feeling a bit helpless, like watching a car wreck in slow motion.
I'm considering emigrating and renouncing citizenship. Its the best way I can think of to remove myself from the criminal enterprise. Sure other countries have their taxes and issues but the vast majority aren't seeking to slay giants abroad. What solidified this in my mind was traveling to Mexico a month after 9/11. The ATL airport was creepy with security. Arrival in Mexico they open all of the doors we were allowed deplane from the back, gringos were running around on the tarmac, and the cab driver that took us to our hotel had beer in a cooler for a buck. Where this country is headed is just scary.
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I'm honestly at a loss trying to figure out how to prevent the seemingly impending war.
Perhaps a mass campaign encouraging all troops who disagree with the war stand up to them, even if it means going AWOL and causing as much havok in the ranks as possible. I know that I, for one, would be more than willing to help out with an "underground railroad" of sorts helping troops who are AWOL or refusing orders.
Perhaps a campaign to start contacting people from Iran? Get them to start standing up and speaking out against their government and trying to change things there? Maybe try to get a HUGE Iranians/Americans united against war facebook group going? I just don't know how much is possible besides praying, unfortunately.
Has anyone considered the possibility of just a straight up uprising here in America to stop the war?
I'm honestly at a loss trying to figure out how to prevent the seemingly impending war.
Perhaps a mass campaign encouraging all troops who disagree with the war stand up to them, even if it means going AWOL and causing as much havok in the ranks as possible. I know that I, for one, would be more than willing to help out with an "underground railroad" of sorts helping troops who are AWOL or refusing orders.
Perhaps a campaign to start contacting people from Iran? Get them to start standing up and speaking out against their government and trying to change things there? Maybe try to get a HUGE Iranians/Americans united against war facebook group going? I just don't know how much is possible besides praying, unfortunately.
Has anyone considered the possibility of just a straight up uprising here in America to stop the war?
I think the Ron Paul supporting troops have to stay in as long as possible to help spread the message amongst the troops. Helping the go awol only concentrates the globalist ideas amongst the remaining military members. We need to come up with ways to spread the message as quickly and as efficiently as possible amongst the troops. Organise a ton of troop meet ups between now and the RNC rally. How about a podcast dedicated to the troops dealing with their issues specifically? - Think Good Morning Vietnam style radio.
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Maybe try to get a HUGE Iranians/Americans united against war facebook group going? I just don't know how much is possible besides praying, unfortunately.
^ THIS
Let's do this guys. It would also be extremely helpful in bridging the propaganda gap between our media and their media if we use it to reguarly share news.
I personally think the spread of information, such as pre-emptively calling out potential false flags (like [THIS VIDEO] does), could be one of the best ways to fight against a war with Iran. The more the people know what the bullshit that the government is doing (or about to do), the less inclined they will be to do it. Their biggest enemy is the rapid and vast spread of information, and the Internet is our greatest tool to utilize in doing so. Twitter bombs, YouTube videos, posting on forums, forwarding articles, anything. I also like the idea of buying ad space, such as billboards. Check this out:
Forgive me for pissing on everyone's parade but if the Pull Peddlers want to start a war to fill their coffers with blood money, ain't nothing we can do as individuals to halt it.
We don't have the numbers or cohesion to wage economic warfare against the Special Interests and the MSM will demonize anyone who tries to undermine the government's murderous intentions.
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